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n_2006
06-19 02:59 PM
Do you think this company has boss, HR, etc? It could be one man show and he wants suck this guy's blood.
Unfornunately most of the guys who can not get a job in US and did hard jobs initially some how hot gcs and became (desi)employers. Also unfortunate that lawyer guy is joined with your employer and trying loot you.
It has to be anyone of a rank signing the letter saying that you work in this position for this salary, someone like your boss, human resources, whoever is nice enough to sign it, they are not really strict on this one, they are on the I-140. Do you have that approved?
Unfornunately most of the guys who can not get a job in US and did hard jobs initially some how hot gcs and became (desi)employers. Also unfortunate that lawyer guy is joined with your employer and trying loot you.
It has to be anyone of a rank signing the letter saying that you work in this position for this salary, someone like your boss, human resources, whoever is nice enough to sign it, they are not really strict on this one, they are on the I-140. Do you have that approved?
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tonyHK12
11-10 01:34 PM
7. Only organization FOR high-skilled immigrants BY high skilled immigrants
1. Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
2. Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years!
This is true and the only one working actively working for our cause. If this organization is not succeeding to its full potential, its only because high skilled immigrants did not support it to the extent they could. Everyone wants to know what IV acheived - with $175???
you can get an idea of contributions from the ticker on the top of this page -
"Goal amount for this month: 10000 USD, Received:"
The illegal lobby is picking up an average of a few hundred thousand dollars each month - result CIR, Dream, lawsuits and support in Media and chambers of govt.
The other part is getting public support, which I feel we already have. breaking news (apologies to faux haters):
http://nation.foxnews.com/arizona-immigration-law/2010/11/10/texas-goes-arizona-style-immigration-law
1. Most visited site by high-skilled immigrants in the
2. Number of registered members has risen from 50 to 25000 in less than 2 years!
This is true and the only one working actively working for our cause. If this organization is not succeeding to its full potential, its only because high skilled immigrants did not support it to the extent they could. Everyone wants to know what IV acheived - with $175???
you can get an idea of contributions from the ticker on the top of this page -
"Goal amount for this month: 10000 USD, Received:"
The illegal lobby is picking up an average of a few hundred thousand dollars each month - result CIR, Dream, lawsuits and support in Media and chambers of govt.
The other part is getting public support, which I feel we already have. breaking news (apologies to faux haters):
http://nation.foxnews.com/arizona-immigration-law/2010/11/10/texas-goes-arizona-style-immigration-law
gk_2000
08-02 03:23 PM
Funny you say that. I'm all for a honest debate and in fact mentioned cited this forum's intolerance for disagreement. We fail to realize that the EB quota is not a Indian only domain, that there are other non-Indian EB immigrants with their own viewpoints, and that unfortunately this narrow sightedness will stifle any unified efforts to fight this problem.
And I'm not beating isantem up. I was on the other hand trying to explain to him why the policy of country based quotas are naive for attracting top talent. Please read my post below.
I would have given you a green for actual substantive disagreement but seeing that you failed to comprehend what I clearly was saying, I'll give you a red. Looks like you care about them enough.
Wao, a catfight
Look inside you. Re-read what you wrote. It will become apparent how you personally attack people for saying things you don't want to hear. What's the use of arguing that the policies are "stupid" etc?
Yes, give me all the reds you want if that helps you vent your frustrations.
Your quote: "So please take your diversity argument with you and don't let the door hit you on your way out" says it all.
Objectivity.
And I'm not beating isantem up. I was on the other hand trying to explain to him why the policy of country based quotas are naive for attracting top talent. Please read my post below.
I would have given you a green for actual substantive disagreement but seeing that you failed to comprehend what I clearly was saying, I'll give you a red. Looks like you care about them enough.
Wao, a catfight
Look inside you. Re-read what you wrote. It will become apparent how you personally attack people for saying things you don't want to hear. What's the use of arguing that the policies are "stupid" etc?
Yes, give me all the reds you want if that helps you vent your frustrations.
Your quote: "So please take your diversity argument with you and don't let the door hit you on your way out" says it all.
Objectivity.
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vejella
12-13 09:59 PM
Venky ,
good to hear your positive approach toward future . But realistically , i wonder how long does it take for a new innovation to get outsourced . AS Narayana murthy said , there would not be anything which does not need human contact in coming future that cannot be out sourced ...(not exact words but with same intent :o
Your are thinking under two assumptions:
1. There is nothing left for innovation in the tech field. so no new job creation is expected in the future.
2. There will be more supply of tech workers which will surpass the job creation rate (if in any amount) thereby depressing the wages.
who is to know that your assumptions are correct? :confused:
Whereas the reality is the job creation has been exponentially growing because of emerging technologies and the will to immigrate to US is surely on decrease and add reverse brain drain to it.
but there is increasing work force on the other side world who is dreaming to come here ...so i feel the rate of reverse brain drain will be less that influx as long as the demand exist.
So for next 5-10 years it will become increasingly difficult to find talented people as they will be evaporated from the market because of 65K H1B cap for last 3 years and a huge outflux of talented professionals.
I said this before in my previous posts and i will say it again. I you are worth your salt and know what you are doing, you will be worth your weight in gold in coming years. Stick to the fight and get your GC. :cool:
--- i should stop going to GYM so can i weigh more :o
(BTW, for these opinions, i am inspired by a recent book i read on globalization- The world is Flat by Thomas Friedman. I think it shall be a must read for every H1B to GC applicant)
good to hear your positive approach toward future . But realistically , i wonder how long does it take for a new innovation to get outsourced . AS Narayana murthy said , there would not be anything which does not need human contact in coming future that cannot be out sourced ...(not exact words but with same intent :o
Your are thinking under two assumptions:
1. There is nothing left for innovation in the tech field. so no new job creation is expected in the future.
2. There will be more supply of tech workers which will surpass the job creation rate (if in any amount) thereby depressing the wages.
who is to know that your assumptions are correct? :confused:
Whereas the reality is the job creation has been exponentially growing because of emerging technologies and the will to immigrate to US is surely on decrease and add reverse brain drain to it.
but there is increasing work force on the other side world who is dreaming to come here ...so i feel the rate of reverse brain drain will be less that influx as long as the demand exist.
So for next 5-10 years it will become increasingly difficult to find talented people as they will be evaporated from the market because of 65K H1B cap for last 3 years and a huge outflux of talented professionals.
I said this before in my previous posts and i will say it again. I you are worth your salt and know what you are doing, you will be worth your weight in gold in coming years. Stick to the fight and get your GC. :cool:
--- i should stop going to GYM so can i weigh more :o
(BTW, for these opinions, i am inspired by a recent book i read on globalization- The world is Flat by Thomas Friedman. I think it shall be a must read for every H1B to GC applicant)
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dohko
05-08 07:55 AM
Sorry to hear that. I think it really depends on the Country of origin. Neither me nor my friends had any problems at the Embassy in Panama.
Siboo
07-27 04:22 PM
Do this - Hire a homeless person, give him a VOIP phone with unlimited calling minutes, and ask him to call USCIS every second of his life asking for your recipt. Some day you will get the good news. If you hire 10 homeless and give all of them this job then you might qualify for "investor green card"!!
Guys....please say....well said (pat on my own back)
Well Said Kumar, Keep it up :mad: :mad:
Guys....please say....well said (pat on my own back)
Well Said Kumar, Keep it up :mad: :mad:
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gcbikari
06-02 02:18 PM
Done. Thanks.
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shree772000
10-26 08:15 PM
Maybe your I140 was withdrawn by the company A.
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walking_dude
11-22 11:02 AM
- What does corruption-back-home has to do with it? There is a more open political discourse here. We should either participate and let them know what we want, or they will do whatever they want ( like they tried to reduce EB quota to 90,000 in the last CIR).
- I have been to many lawmaker Offices in Michigan, I have visited several lawmaker offices in DC (both in and out of Michigan). Over that, I went and testified before MI Senate Transportation committee when they were denying Driving Licences to all foreign workers.
If you think they delayed your EAD for 120 days, why do you think they approved mine in 2 months flat, for full 2 years, even synchronizing the expiry date of the EAD with the validity of the new one (meaning, I didn't lose a single day)? May be they were angry that you weren't trying hard enough? :-)
They don't control your life dude, unless you let them control it. We won't progress much unless we get over the habit of feeling scared at our own shadows.
- Who's is talking about the USCIS here? The topic here is approaching the lawmakers. Transparent or not, didn't we convince them to give us 2 year EADs or not? Did you see AILA or Compete America do it for us? No, we did it ourselves as a community.
- Frankly speaking most Americans support Immigrants. Otherwise why do you think Obama won the election, despite clearly supporting the CIR in public, where as Tom Tancredo couldn't get pass round one of the presidential primaries, and no one even heard about Duncan Hunter another hero of the immigrants.
I agree, these anti-immigrants are vocal. But they are a minority. What they lack in numbers, they try to make up in decibels (volume). Their intent is to scare immigrants off America by making loud noises, the way KKK tried to scare African-Americans from voting by burning crosses, hanging nooses and such scare tactics.
- I don't buy your theory that folks here are afraid to march for their rights. In a few more months thousands of "illegal" immigrants will be marching in the streets of DC, risking getting deported if caught. They have done it before, they got Obama elected and they'll march again.
While legal immigrants lose sleep over getting EAD denied for posting on IV. What kind of a bizzaro world we are living in?
- I have already made the relevant points. If we are so risk aversive we should have stayed Home, meaning our home countries. Why did we take the risk of our planes getting hit by lightning or sucked into a storm? Or some Immigration or custom officer going crazy and packing us off to Guantanamo Bay?
A question to all EB immigrants - When will we give up our mental slavery?
-Many in the immigrant community come from countries where corruption is endemic.
-USCIS controls our economic freedom, movement, where we work and reside, and if we "rock the boat" our file might be "deep-sixed" and we would have no recourse. Who knows, a petty officer could browse a news group, read this and sick Home land security goons me. I would never know why. We don't all have the resources to hire powerful lawyers and fight for a couple years. Did they take 120 days to renew my EAD because I visited my congressional representative's staff? Maybe.
-"Transparent" and "accountable" are words not often used to describe USCIS and her parent Homeland Security. But they do have complete authority over our lives. Kafka could write a book! (Oh, he did.)
-Many Americans are now afraid to join political protests for fear of being arrested and hence losing their job, etc. Why should immigrants be more politically active than Americans? They are publicly targeted by politicians as causing all the problems in the land (Tancredo for example) with out any serious rebuke. In my country Tancredo saying things he's said would have been considered a hate crime.
-There are many Americans (even level headed ones) that do not believe that immigrants have any right to push for change in US policy. Regardless of whether it is change for the better, and there is no other constituency to demand improvements. The argument goes that regardless of the request, if you don't like it you should go home. (Of course the answer is to flip it and say: should Americans be treated poorly when living in my country? Sheepish looks ensue...)
-Depending upon your level of risk aversion, it is often rational for the immigrant (who's stay is tenuous) to stay home and be "good" which means pliant.
In summary, the US scares the freak'n crap out of a lot of people. And so they "behave" as best they can. This should not be a revelation to the staffers.
I don't agree that we should be pliant. We should be in their face because they deserve it.
As for me, I've come to the point that I think being kicked out of the US would be like getting fired from a crappy job I didn't have the guts to quit. :D
- I have been to many lawmaker Offices in Michigan, I have visited several lawmaker offices in DC (both in and out of Michigan). Over that, I went and testified before MI Senate Transportation committee when they were denying Driving Licences to all foreign workers.
If you think they delayed your EAD for 120 days, why do you think they approved mine in 2 months flat, for full 2 years, even synchronizing the expiry date of the EAD with the validity of the new one (meaning, I didn't lose a single day)? May be they were angry that you weren't trying hard enough? :-)
They don't control your life dude, unless you let them control it. We won't progress much unless we get over the habit of feeling scared at our own shadows.
- Who's is talking about the USCIS here? The topic here is approaching the lawmakers. Transparent or not, didn't we convince them to give us 2 year EADs or not? Did you see AILA or Compete America do it for us? No, we did it ourselves as a community.
- Frankly speaking most Americans support Immigrants. Otherwise why do you think Obama won the election, despite clearly supporting the CIR in public, where as Tom Tancredo couldn't get pass round one of the presidential primaries, and no one even heard about Duncan Hunter another hero of the immigrants.
I agree, these anti-immigrants are vocal. But they are a minority. What they lack in numbers, they try to make up in decibels (volume). Their intent is to scare immigrants off America by making loud noises, the way KKK tried to scare African-Americans from voting by burning crosses, hanging nooses and such scare tactics.
- I don't buy your theory that folks here are afraid to march for their rights. In a few more months thousands of "illegal" immigrants will be marching in the streets of DC, risking getting deported if caught. They have done it before, they got Obama elected and they'll march again.
While legal immigrants lose sleep over getting EAD denied for posting on IV. What kind of a bizzaro world we are living in?
- I have already made the relevant points. If we are so risk aversive we should have stayed Home, meaning our home countries. Why did we take the risk of our planes getting hit by lightning or sucked into a storm? Or some Immigration or custom officer going crazy and packing us off to Guantanamo Bay?
A question to all EB immigrants - When will we give up our mental slavery?
-Many in the immigrant community come from countries where corruption is endemic.
-USCIS controls our economic freedom, movement, where we work and reside, and if we "rock the boat" our file might be "deep-sixed" and we would have no recourse. Who knows, a petty officer could browse a news group, read this and sick Home land security goons me. I would never know why. We don't all have the resources to hire powerful lawyers and fight for a couple years. Did they take 120 days to renew my EAD because I visited my congressional representative's staff? Maybe.
-"Transparent" and "accountable" are words not often used to describe USCIS and her parent Homeland Security. But they do have complete authority over our lives. Kafka could write a book! (Oh, he did.)
-Many Americans are now afraid to join political protests for fear of being arrested and hence losing their job, etc. Why should immigrants be more politically active than Americans? They are publicly targeted by politicians as causing all the problems in the land (Tancredo for example) with out any serious rebuke. In my country Tancredo saying things he's said would have been considered a hate crime.
-There are many Americans (even level headed ones) that do not believe that immigrants have any right to push for change in US policy. Regardless of whether it is change for the better, and there is no other constituency to demand improvements. The argument goes that regardless of the request, if you don't like it you should go home. (Of course the answer is to flip it and say: should Americans be treated poorly when living in my country? Sheepish looks ensue...)
-Depending upon your level of risk aversion, it is often rational for the immigrant (who's stay is tenuous) to stay home and be "good" which means pliant.
In summary, the US scares the freak'n crap out of a lot of people. And so they "behave" as best they can. This should not be a revelation to the staffers.
I don't agree that we should be pliant. We should be in their face because they deserve it.
As for me, I've come to the point that I think being kicked out of the US would be like getting fired from a crappy job I didn't have the guts to quit. :D
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red200
10-26 11:01 PM
there should not be a issue
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meridiani.planum
06-05 04:01 AM
EB2 India will move very fast till 01 JAN 06 as because based on June 2007 bulletin, just before the july fiasco,( http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3236.html ) the PD for China is 01 JAN 06. That means in EB2 Category except India and China every other country is current. So till India reaches 01 JAN 06 PD in EB2, all the spill overs will be moved to EB2 India. By the time India EB2 reaches 01 JAN 06, China PD in EB2 will move further from 01 JAN 06 by using its 7% quota. So Inidia PD for EB2 again moves fast till that changed China PD using the spill overs. After that India and China will share the spill overs based on the PD priority. All this happens if and only if the USCIS works effectively and uses all the available visa numbers for the present fiscal year. My prediction for EB2 India PD is it touch 2005 /even cross few months in 2005 by the end of this year if USCIS works effectively.
July 07 was a very special case. Throughout the year the USCIS had not issues many visa's, and per the ombudsmans report in May they were going so slow that they would relaly have to scramble if they dont waste tons of visas.
They year by all reports they are using up visa numbers at a quick pace. WHy do you think they will jump all the way to 2006?
Just getting spillover is not enough, if the total demand for visa's is high. Case in point is EB3-ROW which technically has almost no limits, yet languishes in a retrogressed state because the total number of visa's (140k) is too low and however you divvy them up people are going to end up waiting...
July 07 was a very special case. Throughout the year the USCIS had not issues many visa's, and per the ombudsmans report in May they were going so slow that they would relaly have to scramble if they dont waste tons of visas.
They year by all reports they are using up visa numbers at a quick pace. WHy do you think they will jump all the way to 2006?
Just getting spillover is not enough, if the total demand for visa's is high. Case in point is EB3-ROW which technically has almost no limits, yet languishes in a retrogressed state because the total number of visa's (140k) is too low and however you divvy them up people are going to end up waiting...
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gvenkat
02-28 03:02 PM
I understand you don�t care about the United States and its people and you�re only interested in what you can gain from them but if you weren�t so blinded by greed you�d see this is something else they can give to you. Now I know why I took the route I did, I would have accomplished far less in my personal life with the likes of you. In fact, I may doing to much sharing my expertise with you. I refuse to have my name tarnished any further. Besides, you�re only a beginner. What was I thinking? IV really ought to make it clear to everyone that this is an amateur site. Maybe by changing its name to Beginning Immigration. IV definitely is not the voice of Immigration � my voice is different from IVs and I�m dealing with immigration. I may have to contact the internet higher-ups about this farse.
u shud have tried the smuggling from any other country say thailand or singapore.. then u would not have come here crying.. now get lost :mad::mad::mad:
u shud have tried the smuggling from any other country say thailand or singapore.. then u would not have come here crying.. now get lost :mad::mad::mad:
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chakalov
08-01 12:17 PM
Guys give it a couple of days. You'll start getting the receipts soon. Yes they are working on July 2 plus before July 2 mail. In another couple of days all their personnel will be working full time on the hundreds of thousands applications mailed in July. So be patient. It will happen....
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funkmaster
04-03 01:00 PM
Done !
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Rajwaitingon140
09-27 04:05 PM
Sorry Guys to post this question here....little confuse about category....please guys help me to find where can I see which category I applied...EB3 or EB2?
Many Thanks
RajWaitingon140
Many Thanks
RajWaitingon140
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gimme_GC2006
08-21 11:14 AM
Let me gather all the info first and I can disclose everything here. Meanwhile please come up with any other suggestions if any.
Are you planning to take action against attorney as well?
Even though it may not be illegal for him to not to respond to you, but it clearly proves that attorney is aware, that your life is being screwed by not filing 485.
I am sure there exists some ethical responsbilities for them too, Did you check with the Bar association helpdesk (or anyone there) where your attorney is registered?
Also, please post attorney's details also whenever you think its time to disclose
:cool:
Are you planning to take action against attorney as well?
Even though it may not be illegal for him to not to respond to you, but it clearly proves that attorney is aware, that your life is being screwed by not filing 485.
I am sure there exists some ethical responsbilities for them too, Did you check with the Bar association helpdesk (or anyone there) where your attorney is registered?
Also, please post attorney's details also whenever you think its time to disclose
:cool:
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Canadian_Dream
12-20 01:24 PM
This MEMO also talks about length of stay beyond 6 years. There has been a lot of controversy involving changing job after 3 years H1B extension based on approved I-140. This memo seems to clarify that a little, but it is still not clear enough about implication of revoked I-140 on the approved H1B.
See Section 5, Page 7
Burden of proof rests with petitioner and alien to establish his or her eligibility....
I hope some lawyer or USCIS can clarify this once and for all. There are already so many thereads on this, that I don't want to start another one.
See Section 5, Page 7
Burden of proof rests with petitioner and alien to establish his or her eligibility....
I hope some lawyer or USCIS can clarify this once and for all. There are already so many thereads on this, that I don't want to start another one.
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pncool01
06-27 05:43 PM
unity can work -
let us all unite and file on July 2, the first day. those that lag do so by choice.
please don't say people are selfish and will sell you for a buck etc. the point is, people here are being very helpful to each other. thanks for all the great posts here folks. definitely people here are more responsive than my corporate lawyers right now. and they are sharing formats, links, responses from their lawyers etc. i think everyone is happy to help others as long as there is no loss to themselves.
you have to see the incentive structure and then construct the unity argument. people have no incentive to wait. however, they will unite if they have something to gain. that is why forums such as these are popular.
again, thanks everyone for their help and encouragement.
PS - us filing fewer applications probably does not help. as i have posted elsewhere on this forum, USCIS thought that they were unable to use up all the visa numbers for FY 2007. this comes out of the 485 processing they have been doing till date. they are trying to fill up the 485 filing pipe for the next FY and further out. so, if the USCIS folks see enough 485 filings to fill up the next FEW years expected quotas they will shut it down. not sure how many filers that will take.
let us all unite and file on July 2, the first day. those that lag do so by choice.
please don't say people are selfish and will sell you for a buck etc. the point is, people here are being very helpful to each other. thanks for all the great posts here folks. definitely people here are more responsive than my corporate lawyers right now. and they are sharing formats, links, responses from their lawyers etc. i think everyone is happy to help others as long as there is no loss to themselves.
you have to see the incentive structure and then construct the unity argument. people have no incentive to wait. however, they will unite if they have something to gain. that is why forums such as these are popular.
again, thanks everyone for their help and encouragement.
PS - us filing fewer applications probably does not help. as i have posted elsewhere on this forum, USCIS thought that they were unable to use up all the visa numbers for FY 2007. this comes out of the 485 processing they have been doing till date. they are trying to fill up the 485 filing pipe for the next FY and further out. so, if the USCIS folks see enough 485 filings to fill up the next FEW years expected quotas they will shut it down. not sure how many filers that will take.
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sam_hoosier
12-27 10:45 AM
All,
With the current rate of outsourcing happening around in US and the rate of influx of temporary workers coming in on mostly L1 and may be few on H1 B Visas every year through the outsourcing companies , i am sceptical about the future of GC aspirants. With the way of GC processing happening which are caused by restrictions /policies of governing bodies and no sight of positive relief in near future i am little apprehensive about the future.
I feel that there might be no areas that are not impacted by Outsourcing boom . Most of the companies that i see and my friends work ,i see many of the operations are outsourced or planning in place to get outsourced.
with the current rate of outsourcing and subprime mess which may cause slow down in economy , i am not sure if there would be any positions to support our AOS , when our PD becomes current. Some times i think , the fight for GC is even worth it.
Every one feel free to post your views/opinions/Analysis on this topic ....
The impact of outsourcing (if any) would only be on lower level software/IT jobs which are getting sent to cheaper destinations. However the GC applicant pool is much wider than just IT/software programmers, so overall the impact would be smaller.
With the current rate of outsourcing happening around in US and the rate of influx of temporary workers coming in on mostly L1 and may be few on H1 B Visas every year through the outsourcing companies , i am sceptical about the future of GC aspirants. With the way of GC processing happening which are caused by restrictions /policies of governing bodies and no sight of positive relief in near future i am little apprehensive about the future.
I feel that there might be no areas that are not impacted by Outsourcing boom . Most of the companies that i see and my friends work ,i see many of the operations are outsourced or planning in place to get outsourced.
with the current rate of outsourcing and subprime mess which may cause slow down in economy , i am not sure if there would be any positions to support our AOS , when our PD becomes current. Some times i think , the fight for GC is even worth it.
Every one feel free to post your views/opinions/Analysis on this topic ....
The impact of outsourcing (if any) would only be on lower level software/IT jobs which are getting sent to cheaper destinations. However the GC applicant pool is much wider than just IT/software programmers, so overall the impact would be smaller.
sanjay
11-02 03:31 PM
Guys, Thank you all for the support. I have responded with the same kindness.
And for those who gave reds, I always thought in spite of the gloominess, we still want to ponder at what the new bulletin has is in store. Anyways, thanks to you all too. Have now learnt that discussing future VBs has become a Taboo.
There's always two sides of a coin. Don't think much about people who gave you red but there were also people who gave you green. And in this forum red and green means nothing.
It's just that some frustrated souls gives you RED and some relaxed souls give you GREEN.
There were some frustrated souls out there who gives you RED for everything, who doesn't add any value to this forum.
And I bet even I would get for this comment.
Take it easy.
And for those who gave reds, I always thought in spite of the gloominess, we still want to ponder at what the new bulletin has is in store. Anyways, thanks to you all too. Have now learnt that discussing future VBs has become a Taboo.
There's always two sides of a coin. Don't think much about people who gave you red but there were also people who gave you green. And in this forum red and green means nothing.
It's just that some frustrated souls gives you RED and some relaxed souls give you GREEN.
There were some frustrated souls out there who gives you RED for everything, who doesn't add any value to this forum.
And I bet even I would get for this comment.
Take it easy.
LostInGCProcess
03-11 04:13 PM
It is called desi mentality. Unless the ass is set on fire - Desi folks don't realize the importance of such things.
Funny way to put it, but absolutely true. :D :D :D
Funny way to put it, but absolutely true. :D :D :D
