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B+ve
05-15 01:19 PM
I would like to clarify one thing....
Are these Certifications from Sun Microsystems, Oracle and IBM consider as supporting documents for 4 year degree or equivalent to any educational qualifications or experience?
I mean, people are doing these certifications even with out a job or while on bench....
I do not want to degrade or project these certifications in low profile or so, I do know the value of these certifications while searching for a job, but could not understand how they will help you in education or experience with USCIS.
Correct me if I am wrong.....
- B+ve
Are these Certifications from Sun Microsystems, Oracle and IBM consider as supporting documents for 4 year degree or equivalent to any educational qualifications or experience?
I mean, people are doing these certifications even with out a job or while on bench....
I do not want to degrade or project these certifications in low profile or so, I do know the value of these certifications while searching for a job, but could not understand how they will help you in education or experience with USCIS.
Correct me if I am wrong.....
- B+ve
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MatsP
January 31st, 2008, 03:59 AM
The idea of buying a used camera is based on the fact that once you have played a bit with "your own camera" you have a much better idea of what you like and dislike about particular features. If you spend a lot of money (most of what you can afford) then you don't have any spare for "improving on what you got". If you get something similar but a lot less expensive, in the "bargain basement", then you know what it's like, and you can get the "new model" when you have saved a little more money.
Mark's (Swartzphotography) suggestion is another good one - most digital SLR's are never "used up" - there isn't much that can really go wrong, as it's 99.9% electronics, and that's either completely broken [immediately obvious] or it's working right. Aside from ones that look like they have been used by a pro for a long time [look for big scratches, scrapes and worn off paint on the corners], it should be fine to buy a used one. For example a Canon EOS Digital Rebel or Canon EOS 10D, or Nikon D70.
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Mats
Mark's (Swartzphotography) suggestion is another good one - most digital SLR's are never "used up" - there isn't much that can really go wrong, as it's 99.9% electronics, and that's either completely broken [immediately obvious] or it's working right. Aside from ones that look like they have been used by a pro for a long time [look for big scratches, scrapes and worn off paint on the corners], it should be fine to buy a used one. For example a Canon EOS Digital Rebel or Canon EOS 10D, or Nikon D70.
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Mats
factoryman
06-19 06:03 PM
One or two.
I didn't research all this. My good old INS doctor just gave only one. Anybody need doctor's details, PM me. This is only a free service. Nice elderly American
physician. Fees USD 200
lets take i got MMR for my primary just two days back...then how can the clinic give me another dose within 2 days?? they cant and they SHOULD NOT. Yes they can do one thing..ask the person to bring proof of next shot the following month.
Well i feel the blood report might say something of that sort...just guessing!!
I didn't research all this. My good old INS doctor just gave only one. Anybody need doctor's details, PM me. This is only a free service. Nice elderly American
physician. Fees USD 200
lets take i got MMR for my primary just two days back...then how can the clinic give me another dose within 2 days?? they cant and they SHOULD NOT. Yes they can do one thing..ask the person to bring proof of next shot the following month.
Well i feel the blood report might say something of that sort...just guessing!!
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Hinglish
03-03 11:35 AM
adjusted Gross Income:)
Shoot ... I knew I didnt get that right ... :p
Shoot ... I knew I didnt get that right ... :p
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jamesbond007
11-19 03:32 PM
Does this mean that, if we do not want to be overstepped in the Q, everyone has to have an attorney with AILA membership?? :eek:
Everyone send chocolates/gifts to your attorney for Thanksgiving/Christmas and be on their good side.
Everyone send chocolates/gifts to your attorney for Thanksgiving/Christmas and be on their good side.
140jibjab
02-25 04:53 PM
People like your (friend's) wife are a shame to the legal immigration community. We come here to work hard and make a better living. I don't think, this woman deserve to be admitted back to the US and I am not sorry to be rude in this case.
I think it is a Petty case. As long u can provide the Court Disposition and the ticket issued to the consular officer, You will get the Visa.. Provide as much documentation about the case to the consular officer.
SNTHAMPI , you work hard dude, don't be Hard on others.
I think it is a Petty case. As long u can provide the Court Disposition and the ticket issued to the consular officer, You will get the Visa.. Provide as much documentation about the case to the consular officer.
SNTHAMPI , you work hard dude, don't be Hard on others.
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Raksha
12-11 06:26 PM
Hi,
If married in India & want to take divorce in USA what is the procedure & will it be a valid divorce?
If married in India & want to take divorce in USA what is the procedure & will it be a valid divorce?
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Sage_of_Fire
01-02 09:56 PM
Sure, feel free to. As long as it is something that you did (no 3rd party code, etc.), then it is all good.
:)
Okay, there's my answer. Nice two-birds-one-stone answer, Kirupa!
:)
Okay, there's my answer. Nice two-birds-one-stone answer, Kirupa!
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eb3retro
08-08 07:33 PM
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bhushansd
07-12 03:45 PM
Please change the name of this thread, it sounds that some got a rejection notice.
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SpookyH1Alien
12-08 06:10 PM
Hi Praveen
I recently went for my 10 year H-1B stamping in hyderabad in august end. I got the 221g slip and as in your case, the officer retained my passport. They requested info about my company which I duly provided in a weeks time. I got my visa approved and passport in my hands in early november so it took about 70 days. Obviously every case is different so I cannot say how long your case would be pending but my brother had to wait about 60 days for his visa stamping.
My company was ok with me staying back for the stamping. Though I have AP/EAD (July 2007 filer) I used the opportunity to spend time with my family. I came back last week with no issues at the POE. Good luck with your case
Can you please let us know which city and when exactly? Also, do you know if it was a TAL case? I am in a permanent position but in the semiconductor industry. My company does not take absences of more than 2/3 weeks easily. I am planning a trip to India soon. I would like to understand the risks involved. No AP/EAD.
I recently went for my 10 year H-1B stamping in hyderabad in august end. I got the 221g slip and as in your case, the officer retained my passport. They requested info about my company which I duly provided in a weeks time. I got my visa approved and passport in my hands in early november so it took about 70 days. Obviously every case is different so I cannot say how long your case would be pending but my brother had to wait about 60 days for his visa stamping.
My company was ok with me staying back for the stamping. Though I have AP/EAD (July 2007 filer) I used the opportunity to spend time with my family. I came back last week with no issues at the POE. Good luck with your case
Can you please let us know which city and when exactly? Also, do you know if it was a TAL case? I am in a permanent position but in the semiconductor industry. My company does not take absences of more than 2/3 weeks easily. I am planning a trip to India soon. I would like to understand the risks involved. No AP/EAD.
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ashishgour
04-24 10:00 AM
Breaking news on http://www.immigration-law.com :
04/24/2008: House Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee Hearing Today at 2:00 p.m. on "Wasted Visas, Growing Backlogs"
* This is the first in a series of hearings on immigration reforms which the House is scheduled to hear hereon. For the list of witnesses and the testimonies, please stay tuned to this website.
Does anyone has more insight to this. What we at IV can contribute to this hearing?
Wednesday 04/30/2008 - 2:00 PM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law
Hearing on Wasted Visas, Growing Backlogs (http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435)
By Direction of the Chairman
04/24/2008: House Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee Hearing Today at 2:00 p.m. on "Wasted Visas, Growing Backlogs"
* This is the first in a series of hearings on immigration reforms which the House is scheduled to hear hereon. For the list of witnesses and the testimonies, please stay tuned to this website.
Does anyone has more insight to this. What we at IV can contribute to this hearing?
Wednesday 04/30/2008 - 2:00 PM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law
Hearing on Wasted Visas, Growing Backlogs (http://judiciary.house.gov/oversight.aspx?ID=435)
By Direction of the Chairman
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smiledentist
10-25 03:40 PM
Thanks, I am not sure if it applies to only H1 or even to I 140.
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kumarc123
01-23 06:48 PM
Hi
Can someone please tell me how to post a new thread, lately I saw a post reflecting on us citizenship for international students who will serve in army intelligence, if someone could please post that thread here, I tried looking for it.
Please help me out here,
Thank you
Can someone please tell me how to post a new thread, lately I saw a post reflecting on us citizenship for international students who will serve in army intelligence, if someone could please post that thread here, I tried looking for it.
Please help me out here,
Thank you
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WeShallOvercome
07-23 04:26 PM
You cannot file EAD/AP without the Receipt notice. Since u will be filing it urself anyways(no layer fee involved), y dont u file it with just stating the 485File number in the covering letter, also attach the prints of the checks cashed.
I would say its worth giving a shot.
[You may also state any lame reason that u/employer/lawyer have misplaced the receipt notice in the covering letter ...try this at ur own risk]
Thanks pa_Arora
That's what I'm planning to do in the end. Just waiting for my case to be receipted. Aa friend suggested putting a copy of the FP notice as it looks just like I-485 RN and has all the information in it.
I would say its worth giving a shot.
[You may also state any lame reason that u/employer/lawyer have misplaced the receipt notice in the covering letter ...try this at ur own risk]
Thanks pa_Arora
That's what I'm planning to do in the end. Just waiting for my case to be receipted. Aa friend suggested putting a copy of the FP notice as it looks just like I-485 RN and has all the information in it.
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wandmaker
12-17 11:04 AM
The letter does not say anything. It just says that your I-485 is denied. It does not give nay reason. It does not even say to appeal.. Thanks
USCIS will not deny 485 with out issuing the NOID (Notice of Intend to Deny) Letter. Your attorney must have received it, usually you will be given 30-45 days to respond to RFE.
USCIS will not deny 485 with out issuing the NOID (Notice of Intend to Deny) Letter. Your attorney must have received it, usually you will be given 30-45 days to respond to RFE.
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jonty_11
07-11 03:07 PM
as long as ur empoyer can show that he is in good standing and can pay u..u shud be OK...
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kinvin
05-08 02:50 PM
A bidding war makes for �crazy� salaries across Asia
By Sundeep Tucker
Published: May 6 2007 19:15 | Last updated: May 6 2007 19:15
A combination of strong economic growth, corporate ambition and a limited pool of managers and specialists has plunged Asian companies into a battle for top talent, from casinos in Macau gearing up for business to boom towns in resource-rich western Australia desperate to attract mining engineers.
Salaries for top performers are being bid up to unheard of levels. Even Indian software engineers in Silicon Valley are returning home attracted by high ex-pat salary packages and senior positions, as are Chinese and Japanese-born bankers working in London and New York.
Damien Chunilal, Merrill�s Lynch�s Pacific Rim chief operating officer, says: �The success of Asia�s economies has in some areas increased the pool of available talent. Emigrants are prepared to return home to fill positions that five years ago would not have attracted them. It�s a tighter market, but our overall hiring universe is bigger.�
Which companies win this war for talent will go a long way to deciding which will succeed in the Asia Pacific region.
The consensus is that recruiting and retaining skilled workers in Asia is harder and more expensive than ever. Headhunters warn that the inability to fill key positions with qualified people, mostly at senior level, is denting the regional expansion plans of many companies.
The struggle to hire qualified staff is most acute in financial services, a sector whose fortunes are closely correlated with the level of growth. Demand for consumer banking in India and China is soaring and investment banks are adding personnel to service the region�s emerging acquisitive corporations.
In addition, private equity firms and hedge funds have mushroomed over the past year, pinching scores of the region�s top investment bankers along the way, while the region�s newly-minted millionaires are demanding world-class wealth management services.
The boom in financial services is also having knock-on effects in connected support industries such as accounting, law and public relations.
A key problem for recruitment is the lack of fungibility of personnel across the different markets of the region, with its varied cultural, political and linguistic traditions. Headhunter Kevin Gibson, managing director of Robert Walters Japan, says: �You can relocate a Mexican to Argentina or an American to the UK. But you can�t move a senior manager from China to Japan unless they speak the language and enjoy the culture.�
One senior Hong Kong-based executive for a global investment bank describes the situation as �crazy�. He said: �Banks are short of good staff all over the world but Asia is the hottest place by far. I have 28-year-olds coming into my office telling me that they are resigning because they have been offered a $1m job.� The executive blamed the wage inflation on a combination of factors, including new entrants who pay huge premiums to attract staff, the growth and expansion of hedge funds and private equity firms and the expansion plans of existing players. �It all means that there are too many potential employers chasing too few people,� he says.
As well as drawing from the well of investment banks, private equity firms expanding in Asia have started to adopt US and European practice by luring senior industry executives. In recent weeks Carlyle Group of the US has poached the regional heads of Coca-Cola and Delphi to oversee the firm�s future investments across the consumer and industrial sectors respectively.
The frenzy is thought to have prompted the Singapore government to broker an informal non-poaching agreement that effectively protects two local banks, DBS and OCBC, from aggressive foreign rivals.
In China, analysts describe the talent shortage as �acute�. Steve Mullinjer, head of Heidrick & Struggles China practice, says: �There is a paradox of shortage among the plenty.� He believes that China requires 75,000 quality people to fill senior vacancies at multinationals and expanding domestic companies � but can only supply around 5,000 candidates with suitable experience.
Wage inflation is running so hot that a locally-born general manager for a multinational can earn 20 per cent more than a counterpart in the US �with only 75 per cent of the skills set�, he says. �The reality is that executives in China are getting over-titled and overpaid. Underperformers who leave often resurface in jobs earning double the salary.�
The talent shortage is also keenly felt in India, especially in the financial services and information technology sectors.
Business is growing so fast that the industry�s lobby group has estimated that the Indian IT sector faces a shortfall of 500,000 professionals by 2010 that threatens the country�s dominance of global offshore IT services.
Blue chip IT companies are plundering the entire talent pool across industries, stealing civil engineers and graduates from other disciplines and turning them into software engineers. This has left acute shortages in industries such as construction.
Azim Premji, founder chairman of India�s Wipro, one of the world�s leading IT companies, says: �The multinationals are going berserk and are unnecessarily paying premiums to fill the positions.�
The effect on pay rates has been predictable. According to Hewitt Associates, the consultancy, average salary increases in India are running at more than 14 per cent a year, compared with around 8 per cent in China and slightly less in South Korea and the Philippines.
Dinesh Mirchandani, managing director of the India practice of Boyden, a global search firm, said that the annual salary for the typical chief executive of a mid-cap multinational in India, with just $100m sales, has doubled in the past five years to $250,000. He says: �At senior levels, the pay gap between those based in India and those elsewhere has narrowed dramatically. I even have an Indian national chief operating officer in a multinational here who is earning more than his Dubai-based boss.� Mr Mirchandani cites BP, Citibank and PepsiCo as multinationals that have prospered because they recruited and retained staff successfully by introducing favourable human resource policies.
The recruitment market in Japan has tended to march to its own beat. However, the country�s economic recovery has created bottlenecks in sectors such as financial services, retail and pharmaceutical, while sectors such as precision engineering have been boosted by insatiable demand from China for their products. The talent war even has its plus points. One US investment banking executive working in Asia says that the situation has made it easier to get rid of underpeforming staff.
He says: �In the past the worker might have been sacked. Nowadays we tell that worker to go and quietly solicit offers in the marketplace. They usually do so quickly, and can get a higher salary from a hedge fund or private equity firm. That way, nobody�s reputation gets sullied.�
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
By Sundeep Tucker
Published: May 6 2007 19:15 | Last updated: May 6 2007 19:15
A combination of strong economic growth, corporate ambition and a limited pool of managers and specialists has plunged Asian companies into a battle for top talent, from casinos in Macau gearing up for business to boom towns in resource-rich western Australia desperate to attract mining engineers.
Salaries for top performers are being bid up to unheard of levels. Even Indian software engineers in Silicon Valley are returning home attracted by high ex-pat salary packages and senior positions, as are Chinese and Japanese-born bankers working in London and New York.
Damien Chunilal, Merrill�s Lynch�s Pacific Rim chief operating officer, says: �The success of Asia�s economies has in some areas increased the pool of available talent. Emigrants are prepared to return home to fill positions that five years ago would not have attracted them. It�s a tighter market, but our overall hiring universe is bigger.�
Which companies win this war for talent will go a long way to deciding which will succeed in the Asia Pacific region.
The consensus is that recruiting and retaining skilled workers in Asia is harder and more expensive than ever. Headhunters warn that the inability to fill key positions with qualified people, mostly at senior level, is denting the regional expansion plans of many companies.
The struggle to hire qualified staff is most acute in financial services, a sector whose fortunes are closely correlated with the level of growth. Demand for consumer banking in India and China is soaring and investment banks are adding personnel to service the region�s emerging acquisitive corporations.
In addition, private equity firms and hedge funds have mushroomed over the past year, pinching scores of the region�s top investment bankers along the way, while the region�s newly-minted millionaires are demanding world-class wealth management services.
The boom in financial services is also having knock-on effects in connected support industries such as accounting, law and public relations.
A key problem for recruitment is the lack of fungibility of personnel across the different markets of the region, with its varied cultural, political and linguistic traditions. Headhunter Kevin Gibson, managing director of Robert Walters Japan, says: �You can relocate a Mexican to Argentina or an American to the UK. But you can�t move a senior manager from China to Japan unless they speak the language and enjoy the culture.�
One senior Hong Kong-based executive for a global investment bank describes the situation as �crazy�. He said: �Banks are short of good staff all over the world but Asia is the hottest place by far. I have 28-year-olds coming into my office telling me that they are resigning because they have been offered a $1m job.� The executive blamed the wage inflation on a combination of factors, including new entrants who pay huge premiums to attract staff, the growth and expansion of hedge funds and private equity firms and the expansion plans of existing players. �It all means that there are too many potential employers chasing too few people,� he says.
As well as drawing from the well of investment banks, private equity firms expanding in Asia have started to adopt US and European practice by luring senior industry executives. In recent weeks Carlyle Group of the US has poached the regional heads of Coca-Cola and Delphi to oversee the firm�s future investments across the consumer and industrial sectors respectively.
The frenzy is thought to have prompted the Singapore government to broker an informal non-poaching agreement that effectively protects two local banks, DBS and OCBC, from aggressive foreign rivals.
In China, analysts describe the talent shortage as �acute�. Steve Mullinjer, head of Heidrick & Struggles China practice, says: �There is a paradox of shortage among the plenty.� He believes that China requires 75,000 quality people to fill senior vacancies at multinationals and expanding domestic companies � but can only supply around 5,000 candidates with suitable experience.
Wage inflation is running so hot that a locally-born general manager for a multinational can earn 20 per cent more than a counterpart in the US �with only 75 per cent of the skills set�, he says. �The reality is that executives in China are getting over-titled and overpaid. Underperformers who leave often resurface in jobs earning double the salary.�
The talent shortage is also keenly felt in India, especially in the financial services and information technology sectors.
Business is growing so fast that the industry�s lobby group has estimated that the Indian IT sector faces a shortfall of 500,000 professionals by 2010 that threatens the country�s dominance of global offshore IT services.
Blue chip IT companies are plundering the entire talent pool across industries, stealing civil engineers and graduates from other disciplines and turning them into software engineers. This has left acute shortages in industries such as construction.
Azim Premji, founder chairman of India�s Wipro, one of the world�s leading IT companies, says: �The multinationals are going berserk and are unnecessarily paying premiums to fill the positions.�
The effect on pay rates has been predictable. According to Hewitt Associates, the consultancy, average salary increases in India are running at more than 14 per cent a year, compared with around 8 per cent in China and slightly less in South Korea and the Philippines.
Dinesh Mirchandani, managing director of the India practice of Boyden, a global search firm, said that the annual salary for the typical chief executive of a mid-cap multinational in India, with just $100m sales, has doubled in the past five years to $250,000. He says: �At senior levels, the pay gap between those based in India and those elsewhere has narrowed dramatically. I even have an Indian national chief operating officer in a multinational here who is earning more than his Dubai-based boss.� Mr Mirchandani cites BP, Citibank and PepsiCo as multinationals that have prospered because they recruited and retained staff successfully by introducing favourable human resource policies.
The recruitment market in Japan has tended to march to its own beat. However, the country�s economic recovery has created bottlenecks in sectors such as financial services, retail and pharmaceutical, while sectors such as precision engineering have been boosted by insatiable demand from China for their products. The talent war even has its plus points. One US investment banking executive working in Asia says that the situation has made it easier to get rid of underpeforming staff.
He says: �In the past the worker might have been sacked. Nowadays we tell that worker to go and quietly solicit offers in the marketplace. They usually do so quickly, and can get a higher salary from a hedge fund or private equity firm. That way, nobody�s reputation gets sullied.�
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
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ivjobs
11-09 01:48 PM
Just to keep the ideas about entrepreneurship and the group activity floating at a central place, a file has been created in the group. Any one who feels their ideas, thoughts and proposals are worth and benefit the VI entrepreneur community, please add them below. The team will review them frequently and try to implement as many as feasible in the best interests of the IV and the group.
Compilation of some of the ideas/thoughts already proposed by the entrepreneurship group members:
1. Create a Charter which describes our activities,what we want to do,
roles, responsibilities, How to address issues and conflicts among
members etc.
2. Establish a core team/board who will report to a chair and is
ultimately responsible for policies, actions etc.
3.Identify and assign responsibility to individual members
4.Clearly identify the chain of command (whose responsible for what
and who does final decision)
5. Also assign the charter/board to come up with a business plan, do
investment analysis etc for the group.
6. Chalk out any short term and long term initiatives such as
attracting and retaining folks, managing day to day affairs, sharing
the wealth of knowledge and profits.
7. Should we register a ivstartup.org domain?
its 9.99/yr at godaddy, so that we can move from an informal setup
like yahoo groups to a more formal setup...with our own forum and
all..
8.Also to meet the cost...lets have a $1 as a yearly fee (or 50
cent/month) or 10$ life long membership....that will cover the cost
of hosting.
9. Like the one proposed on IV about Housing Crisis and speedy green card approval for buying houses, why not we propose an agenda for speedy green card process for I 485 pending and aspiring/existing entrepreneurs?
10. Create a shared repository for the all the startup related information specifically targeting IV audience.
Please add in your thoughts to the above or visit
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ivstartup/files/
Compilation of some of the ideas/thoughts already proposed by the entrepreneurship group members:
1. Create a Charter which describes our activities,what we want to do,
roles, responsibilities, How to address issues and conflicts among
members etc.
2. Establish a core team/board who will report to a chair and is
ultimately responsible for policies, actions etc.
3.Identify and assign responsibility to individual members
4.Clearly identify the chain of command (whose responsible for what
and who does final decision)
5. Also assign the charter/board to come up with a business plan, do
investment analysis etc for the group.
6. Chalk out any short term and long term initiatives such as
attracting and retaining folks, managing day to day affairs, sharing
the wealth of knowledge and profits.
7. Should we register a ivstartup.org domain?
its 9.99/yr at godaddy, so that we can move from an informal setup
like yahoo groups to a more formal setup...with our own forum and
all..
8.Also to meet the cost...lets have a $1 as a yearly fee (or 50
cent/month) or 10$ life long membership....that will cover the cost
of hosting.
9. Like the one proposed on IV about Housing Crisis and speedy green card approval for buying houses, why not we propose an agenda for speedy green card process for I 485 pending and aspiring/existing entrepreneurs?
10. Create a shared repository for the all the startup related information specifically targeting IV audience.
Please add in your thoughts to the above or visit
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ivstartup/files/
Ram_C
11-19 07:59 PM
Today there was LUD on my 140 application which was approved 1 year back. What does this mean? I received my EAD and AP is approved.
Sorry to ask this question on this thread, but i think i don't have ability to create new thread?
Can some one help please?
My PD is Feb 2006 and I am EB3 India
This is common, many of us including me received soft LUD on already approved
I-140 applications. check my post#2 on this same thread.
hope this helps
good luck :)
Sorry to ask this question on this thread, but i think i don't have ability to create new thread?
Can some one help please?
My PD is Feb 2006 and I am EB3 India
This is common, many of us including me received soft LUD on already approved
I-140 applications. check my post#2 on this same thread.
hope this helps
good luck :)
trig1
01-15 03:14 PM
Are ovals allowed? I can probably guess the answer to this, but just wanted to double check before I made my entry.
